Going overboard with blasphemy

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Originally Posted by sojourner
Compare this scenario to the woman who was brought before Jesus to be stoned for prostitution. Jesus told the elders: "Let the one among you who has not sinned throw the first stone." The accusers departed. Jesus asked the woman, "Where are your accusers? I don't condemn you either. Go an sin no more."

I think it is more likely Jesus would have said, " ... I don't condemn you either. Go, for you have not sinned."

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Originally Posted by nutshell
Thousands of Sudanese, many armed with clubs and knives, protested Friday outside the presidential palace in Khartoum, demanding the execution of a British teacher convicted of insulting Islam for allowing her students to name a teddy bear Muhammad.

It is noteworthy that most of the protests by Muslims the world over on whatever issue is after their Friday prayers. You would've thought that anyone coming out of a holy place after prayers would be full of pious thoughts. What actually happens is that Friday prayers are also the occasion for Muslim clerics to give religious discourses and the clerics never fail to get the believers worked up over issues they believe are an attack on Islam.

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Originally Posted by Melissa G
Verse 32 of Sura 5 of the Koran states: " Whoever slays one soul, it is if he slew all men".

This verse, per se, calls for non-violence and also emphasizes the sacredness of each and every life. This is just the verse non-Muslims quote to sound politically correct. But if we consider that it is addressed to the "Children of Israel" and also continue to read verse 33, it would seem that it actually warns non-Muslims not to think of killing even one Muslim, for it is tantamount to killing all Muslims and Allah would ensure they suffer retribution in the Hereafter.

Sura 5:32 Because of this, we decreed for the Children of Israel that anyone who murders any person who had not committed murder or horrendous crimes, it shall be as if he murdered all the people. And anyone who spares a life, it shall be as if he spared the lives of all the people. Our messengers went to them with clear proofs and revelations, but most of them, after all this, are still transgressing.

Sura 5:33 The just retribution for those who fight GOD and His messenger, and commit horrendous crimes, is to be killed, or crucified, or to have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or to be banished from the land. This is to humiliate them in this life, then they suffer a far worse retribution in the Hereafter.

I wish someone would contradict the conclusions I have drawn, because I wish to believe that Islam is indeed a religion of peace.

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I will, inshaa'Allaah. Perhaps the best thing you said in your post, was "it would seem that....". Indeed. For a person, who has no knowledge of the Islamic rules of "tafseer" (interpretation), or an understanding of the Arabic language, many things might "seem" correct. Yes? Verse 33 speaks of an entirely different subject. Whoever fights Allaah and his Messenger, or creates mischief in the land, deserves these punishments. Whether they are from the "Children of Israel", or not. Plus, fighting in this verse, has been interpreted as waging war, and not killing a Muslim soul. There is no link between this verse and the one before it. Also, in verse 32, the word mentioned is (in Arabic) "nafs". Which is translated to "person". There is no mention of this person's religion whatsoever. And as a rule of interpratation, if a word in the Qur'an or Sunnah has a general meaning, then we understand it as such; however if there is proof that we can derive a specific meaning from it, then we go on that.(I'm sorry. I know these rules in Arabic, so i'm trying my best to translate. Excuse my ignorance). So what proof do you have that Allaah specifically meant a Muslim person?

"O you who believe! fear Allah as He should be feared, and die not except in a state of Islam" [3.102]

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Originally Posted by fullyveiled muslimah
There are always gonna be haters and we can't do anything about that. Muslims cannot go around hunting people down who do offences or whatever to what WE hold sacred. I know you aren't suggesting that, but I felt the need to say it. One thing we as muslims must realize is that we are the ones who hold Allah higher than anything and anyone else. Other people do not hold this view and it's not up to us to make sure that by hook or by crook they come to hold it.

Yours is the voice of moderation.

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Originally Posted by AbuQuteiba
This is your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But in Islam, opinions carry no weight if they go against the scriptures (The Qur'an, and Sunnah).

May I digress and consider this point in isolation? You say in Islam opinions carry no weight if they go against the scriptures. And yet what the scriptures actually say are subject to different opinions, which have led to different schools of thought and even sects in Islam. And what is a fatwa, ever flowing so freely these days, if it is not a worthy soul pronouncing his opinion on what the scriptures say?

AbuQuteiba

Since i don't think the purpose of this post is to start a discussion on how scriptures are looked at it in Islam, or what Islam says about sects, or what guidelines one must abide by in order to have an opinion in Islam, i'll keep this simple. Whatever opinion one has in Islamic law, must at least be backed up by something. Either the Qur'an, or Sunnah, or perhaps a saying of one of the companions, etc. And since the Sudanese community has backed up their actions/ opinion with no proof whatsoever, i think it's fair to say that their opinion carries no wait. And Allaah knows best.